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What Can Criminal Psychology Teach Us About Climate Change? With Julia Shaw

October 9, 2025

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  • Applying criminal psychology to environmental issues, as explored in Julia Shaw's book *Green Crime*, offers a granular framework to understand and combat environmental crime by focusing on individual decision-making rather than just large structural problems. 
  • Environmental criminals rationalize their behavior using six psychological pillars—ease, impunity, greed, rationalization, conformity, and desperation—which vary in prominence depending on the perpetrator's level within a criminal structure (e.g., desperation is key for ground-level actors, while greed dominates at the top). 
  • To effectively combat environmental crime, it is crucial to stop oversimplifying the motivations as mere greed, intervene at any of the six psychological leverage points to change the cost-benefit analysis, and champion the often-overlooked regulators and scientists fighting on the front lines. 

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Criminal Psychology Background
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  • Key Takeaway: Criminal psychology, for Julia Shaw, primarily involves expertise in memory reliability during police investigations and examining cognitive distortions that rationalize bad behavior.
  • Summary: Julia Shaw’s work as a criminal psychologist focuses on assessing the reliability of witness memories elicited during police interviews, looking for suggestive questioning that might contaminate evidence. She is also interested in the psychology of behavior change and the cognitive distortions people use to rationalize negative actions. This background led her to apply these principles to environmental issues.
Framing Environmental Issues as Crime
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  • Key Takeaway: Framing environmental destruction as crime, akin to true crime narratives, shifts societal perception to recognize the severity of environmental damage and the culpability of perpetrators.
  • Summary: Using true crime storytelling harnesses public fascination to make depersonalized environmental issues more engaging and narrative-driven. Viewing perpetrators as criminals, similar to serial killers, elevates the perceived societal threat of environmental destruction. This perspective forces a mentality shift regarding what is truly at stake when the planet is damaged.
Legal Boundaries of Environmental Crime
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  • Key Takeaway: While breaking any law constitutes a legal infraction (misdemeanor or crime), Shaw focuses Green Crime specifically on obvious, intentional environmental crimes that have resulted in convictions.
  • Summary: The distinction between civil infractions (like minor speeding) and criminal acts is legally defined, but public consciousness often blurs this boundary. Shaw intentionally focuses her book on clear-cut environmental crimes where perpetrators knowingly broke established laws, often involving violations of environmental legislation like the Clean Air Act or human rights abuses linked to land clearing.
Psychology of Corporate Environmental Lies
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  • Key Takeaway: In corporate environmental scandals like Dieselgate, perpetrators often avoid guilt through rationalization (claiming necessity, like job preservation) and conformity (everyone else was doing it).
  • Summary: Journalists interviewing whistleblowers from the Dieselgate scandal found individuals spending significant time defending their personal goodness rather than addressing the facts of the cover-up. This behavior stems from a need to save face and rationalize actions, often citing external pressures like job security. This phenomenon of rationalizing bad behavior is common across corporate and wildlife crime syndicates.
Combating Temporal Discounting
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  • Key Takeaway: Temporal discounting—the tendency to undervalue future outcomes—can be psychologically countered by immersing oneself in future scenarios through climate fiction or writing letters from one’s future self.
  • Summary: Environmental crimes are often facilitated because the negative costs (externalities) are long-term, far away, and lack an easily identifiable victim, making them easy to discount. Research shows that writing a letter from ten years in the future to one’s present self is one of the most effective psychological hacks for increasing care about the environment and motivating present action.
Six Pillars of Environmental Crime
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  • Key Takeaway: Environmental crimes are driven by six interconnected psychological factors: ease, impunity, greed, rationalization, conformity, and desperation, which apply differently across organizational levels.
  • Summary: The six pillars profile individuals capable of environmental crime, noting that dumping waste is often driven by ease and cost-saving rather than pure malice. Impunity, whether actual or perceived (like in the unpunished murder of environmental defenders in Brazil), encourages continued illegal activity. Desperation is the core factor for those on the ground, such as illegal miners, while greed drives the financiers at the top.
Intervention Strategies and Optimism
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  • Key Takeaway: Stopping environmental crime requires moving beyond the ‘greed-only’ narrative and intervening at any of the six psychological pillars, while championing essential, non-headline-grabbing roles like regulators and scientists.
  • Summary: Intervening at any single factor—such as increasing fines to eliminate ease or cracking down to reduce impunity—can break the chain of environmental crime by altering the cost-benefit analysis. It is vital to champion regulators and scientists, whose essential, detailed work often gets overshadowed by activist noise but forms the necessary nuts-and-bolts of a working protective system. Recognizing the extensive work being done fosters significant hope against eco-anxiety.