Modern Wisdom

#1002 - Andrew Doyle - Political Violence & The Lunatics of Your Own Side

October 4, 2025

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  • The lunatics on one's own political side make the mainstream movement look significantly sillier than any opposition could, necessitating clear disavowal of extreme elements. 
  • The recent murder of Charlie Kirk highlighted a disturbing, widespread tolerance for justifying political violence within mainstream left-wing discourse, often fueled by out-of-context clips creating a 'folk devil'. 
  • Wokeness is considered to be dying because its core tenets lack robust evidence and it has been imposed top-down, but its practitioners, feeling cornered, may become more aggressive, leading to extreme reactions like violence. 
  • The Woke movement is characterized as an ill-thought-out ideology where fealty to a set of causes replaces independent critical thinking, allowing activists like Greta Thunberg to easily pivot between unrelated causes like environmentalism and pro-Palestine activism. 
  • The gender identity movement is fundamentally anti-gay, as it contradicts the basis of sexual orientation (attraction to one's own sex) and has led to tangible harms against the gay community, such as forcing gay men to filter out trans women on dating apps or lesbians being legally barred from excluding trans women from their spaces. 
  • The UK is exhibiting deep authoritarian tendencies through the weaponization of policing against speech, evidenced by the disproportionate prosecution of non-violent speech (like the Lucy Connolly case) while ignoring explicit threats against ideological opponents, demonstrating a two-tier system of law enforcement based on political alignment. 
  • Ideology overriding the law, whether from the Scottish Government or in Islamism, is fundamentally incompatible with a liberal democracy and necessitates legal challenge (lawfare). 
  • Cancel culture is defined as the disproportionate bullying and targeting of individuals for their opinions by contacting their employers, which differs from being fired for failing to meet basic job requirements or responsibilities. 
  • The purity spiral, where ideological adherence demands total agreement and punishes minor deviations, is a form of mass infantilism that threatens robust disagreement, which is essential for intellectual growth and societal negotiation. 

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Lunatics on Your Own Side
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  • Key Takeaway: The primary threat to a political movement often comes from the extreme elements within its own ranks, as their actions reflect poorly on the mainstream.
  • Summary: A tweet suggested that the left’s greatest enemy is the hard left, and the right’s greatest enemy is the hard right. Mainstream political sides have a responsibility to disavow extreme figures, or risk conflation in the public imagination. The speaker was shocked by the extent of mainstream left-wing voices attempting to justify the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Normalizing Violent Rhetoric
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  • Key Takeaway: The cheering of violent rhetoric at a protest indicates that such language has been normalized within that activist community.
  • Summary: The speaker cited a clip of a trans pride protest where violence was called for, noting the crowd’s applause signaled normalization of violent rhetoric. Distancing oneself from such calls requires explicitly condemning the violence and questioning the speaker’s representation. Mainstream leftists show tolerance, if not support, for extreme violent rhetoric, often using terms like ‘fascist’ or ‘Nazi’ to dehumanize opponents.
Tolerance for Political Violence
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  • Key Takeaway: Young liberal Americans show a worryingly high propensity to justify political violence, a trend that is increasing among young conservatives as well.
  • Summary: A FHIR study indicated that 25% of very liberal Americans believe violence can sometimes be justified for political goals. This trend of justifying violence is catching up on the right, suggesting increased tribalism where disagreement is perceived as a personal attack. Connecting one’s identity to a political viewpoint amplifies the instinct to view disagreement as an attack.
Charlie Kirk’s Noble Action
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  • Key Takeaway: Charlie Kirk’s act of engaging with opposing views on campus was noble, making his murder feel like an attack on free speech itself.
  • Summary: Political violence is an oxymoron, as politics exists to avoid violence. Kirk was punished for his opinion while engaging in the noble act of platforming and discussing views he opposed. Cherry-picking quotes to justify the murder, such as misrepresenting his stance on the Second Amendment, is described as ‘hobgoblin-like behavior’.
Tributes and Caveats
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  • Key Takeaway: Well-meaning tributes from the left often include caveats about disagreeing with the victim’s positions, possibly to protect against accusations from their own side.
  • Summary: The speaker questioned if similar hand-wringing would occur if a left-wing figure were shot and the right offered tributes. Ezra Klein faced backlash from the left for mourning Kirk as a human being despite disagreeing with his politics. Defending the liberal principle that no one should be silenced by violence is more powerful when voiced by someone from the opposing political side.
Woke Ideology’s Decline
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  • Key Takeaway: Wokeness is declining because major institutional shifts, like the Cass Review and UK Supreme Court rulings, have dented its core ideological claims.
  • Summary: Support for wokeness peaked in 2020 and has been declining since, evidenced by data from The Economist. The Cass Review exposed dangers in gender-affirming care, leading to the closure of the Tavistock clinic. Furthermore, the UK Supreme Court affirmed biological sex as a protected characteristic in equality law, undermining key aspects of gender identity ideology.
Woke as Authoritarianism
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  • Key Takeaway: Wokeness is the latest manifestation of authoritarianism, an impulse that naturally emerges across the political spectrum, and its decline will likely be followed by a new authoritarian form.
  • Summary: Wokeness was always a minority view (8-10% endorsement) imposed top-down, primarily by the upper-middle classes, and never truly accepted by the working class. Because its ideas are based on ‘absolute nonsense’ (e.g., undefined gender identity), it cannot be sustained through debate, leading to censorship and violence. The movement attracts bullies and sociopaths who inflict pain under the guise of compassion.
Language Control in Culture Wars
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  • Key Takeaway: The culture war is fundamentally about language, where movements like wokeness succeed by redefining terms so that supporters end up supporting antithetical concepts.
  • Summary: Figures like Theresa May and Kathy Burke mistakenly believe ‘woke’ simply means ‘being nice and not racist,’ failing to grasp the activists’ definitions involving exclusion and racialization. Woke language is often the opposite of its intent: they claim equality but practice equity, claim inclusion but practice exclusion. This linguistic manipulation allows people to support harmful policies while believing they are progressive.
Wasted Intellectual Energy
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  • Key Takeaway: A significant portion of intellectual energy from smart generations is being wasted debating mimetic cultural issues like gender identity instead of focusing on genuine progress.
  • Summary: The speaker laments that smart people are spending time working out if a man is a man or a woman is a woman, rather than focusing on productivity. Resisting authoritarianism and falsehoods is important, but the current focus is a waste of time. However, ignoring the falsehoods allows them to win, necessitating resistance against the movement’s attacks on rights and free speech.
Steelman Case for Woke Aims
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  • Key Takeaway: The strongest case for the progressive movement is that systemic power structures, invisible to the majority, perpetuate lingering racism and discrimination despite existing laws.
  • Summary: Critical Race Theory argues that society remains organized around white dominance, necessitating theorists like Robin DiAngelo to expose these embedded, invisible power structures. While the speaker agrees racism lingers, they reject the notion that detecting it where evidence suggests otherwise is helpful. The liberal approach involves identifying and engaging with racism only when it specifically occurs.
Advice for Authentic Left Wing
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  • Key Takeaway: Authentic left-wing politics must jettison woke identity politics and return focus to class and economic inequality, as identity politics ultimately harms the working class.
  • Summary: Wokeness is not authentically left-wing because it substitutes group identity for class analysis, which is the core of socialist thought. The movement creates a system where only the uncancellable rich can speak freely, while workers are subjected to mandatory reprogramming like unconscious bias training. Any movement that protects corporate power over workers cannot claim to be genuinely left-wing.
Woke Ideology and Issue Fealty
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  • Key Takeaway: The Woke movement functions as an ideology where adherence is demonstrated through fealty to a set of causes rather than deep understanding of individual issues.
  • Summary: The Woke movement is described as an ill-thought-out ideology where displaying loyalty to causes is paramount. This allows activists to pivot easily between disparate issues, such as environmentalism and pro-Palestine activism, because they follow a script rather than individual conviction. The speaker claims they can accurately predict a person’s entire set of opinions based on one ‘woke thing’ they say.
Greta Thunberg’s Privilege Display
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  • Key Takeaway: Greta Thunberg’s use of a flotilla to travel demonstrates a form of wealth signaling that signifies being time-rich, which is considered a higher form of wealth than merely being cash-rich.
  • Summary: The discussion uses Rory Sutherland’s concept that using a slow mode of transport like a dirigible or hot air balloon signals being both cash-rich and time-rich. Greta Thunberg’s use of a flotilla to reach a destination is cited as an example of this privilege display. The segment briefly diverts into a humorous tangent about kefir versus sauerkraut.
Woke Hydra and Cognitive Misers
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  • Key Takeaway: The Woke movement is likened to a Hydra with interconnected heads (queer theory, BLM, environmentalism) that resists correction, which aligns with the ‘cognitive miser model’ where people prefer easy ideological scripts over difficult independent thinking.
  • Summary: The Woke movement is conceptualized as an intersectional Hydra where cutting off one ideological head results in another growing back. Thinking for oneself on individual issues is difficult, leading people to opt for the easier solution provided by ideological rule sets, as described by the cognitive miser model. This resistance to challenging one’s certainties is exemplified by a professor fearing pushback for questioning a student’s claim about Queen Elizabeth I being trans.
Woke Homophobia in the LGBTQ+ Community
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  • Key Takeaway: The inclusion of gender identity within the LGBTQIA+ framework creates an antagonistic relationship, as gender ideology fundamentally undermines the premise of gay rights based on innate sexual orientation.
  • Summary: Many gay individuals have embraced the genderist movement, but this forces a coalition with an ideology antagonistic to core gay rights principles. For example, the dating app Grindr allegedly prohibits filtering out trans women, shaming gay men for having sexual preferences based on biological sex. The genderist movement is described as fundamentally anti-gay, evidenced by calls for the mutilation of youth and activists disrupting a gay rights conference with insects.
Homophobia as an Instinctive Response
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  • Key Takeaway: Homophobia, often rooted in an instinctive disgust response to non-preferred sexual activity, is a persistent human trait that the Woke movement attempts to deny through ideological enforcement.
  • Summary: The word ‘homophobia’ is criticized as being misused, as it often describes a genuine, instinctive disgust response to certain sexual acts rather than conscious prejudice. This inability to accept the reality of same-sex attraction creates hostility, similar to the Woke denial of biological reality. This denial is mirrored in the Iranian regime, which prefers funding sex changes over accepting homosexuality, suggesting a preference for a facsimile of heterosexuality.
Tavistock Clinic and Anti-Gay Conversion
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  • Key Takeaway: The high referral rate of same-sex attracted adolescents to the Tavistock clinic suggests the gender identity pathway was functioning as a form of conversion therapy to eliminate homosexuality.
  • Summary: Whistleblowers at the Tavistock Pediatric Gender Clinic indicated that homophobia was endemic among parents and some staff, preferring a child identify as the opposite sex rather than gay. Research showed 80-90% of adolescents referred to the clinic were same-sex attracted, suggesting the process acted as a gay conversion clinic on the NHS. This preference for a ‘facsimile of heterosexuality’ over homosexuality is seen as an extreme anti-gay position.
Liberalism vs. Liberal Universalism
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  • Key Takeaway: Wokeness is an anti-liberal movement that misunderstands and rejects true liberalism, which requires the cultivation of the rule of law, tradition, and critical thinking, not the imposition of utopian universalism.
  • Summary: The speaker argues that the liberal view is not that anyone can be airdropped into any culture expecting democracy, which is liberal universalism. True liberalism requires hard work to sustain, relying on the rule of law and consensus developed over time. Actions like the grooming gang scandal or Woke censorship are failures to adhere to liberalism, not examples of liberalism run wild.
Queers for Palestine and Cognitive Dissonance
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  • Key Takeaway: The existence of ‘Queers for Palestine’ highlights the cognitive dissonance within the Woke hierarchy, forcing activists to ignore anti-gay sentiment within Islam to maintain their oppression framework.
  • Summary: The conflict between being pro-Islam (high on the oppression hierarchy) and pro-gay rights creates an impossible situation for Woke activists. This is resolved by creating groups like ‘Queers for Palestine’ or defending Sharia courts, which effectively dismisses the rights of Muslim women and gay Muslims. The speaker challenges these activists to demonstrate their solidarity by holding a Pride march in Gaza or Saudi Arabia.
UK Authoritarianism and Free Speech Erosion
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  • Key Takeaway: The UK is deeply authoritarian, characterized by a two-tier policing system that actively enforces speech restrictions based on ideological alignment, exemplified by the arrest of Graham Linehan.
  • Summary: The UK is described as deeply authoritarian, with both the Conservative and Labour governments increasing censorship, notably through the Online Safety Bill. The police have been weaponized by activists, recording over a quarter of a million ’non-crime hate incidents’ since 2014, which can negatively impact employment. The arrest of comedy writer Graham Linehan for innocuous tweets, while explicit threats against opponents are ignored, proves the existence of a two-tier policing system based on ideological slant.
Brandenburg Test vs. UK Enforcement
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  • Key Takeaway: The US Brandenburg Test correctly defines incitement to violence as requiring intent and imminent likelihood, a standard the UK routinely ignores by imprisoning individuals for reckless, non-inciting speech.
  • Summary: The US Brandenburg Test requires speech to be intended to foment violence and likely to cause imminent violence to qualify as incitement. In contrast, a UK mother (Lucy Connolly) served over a year in prison for a reckless tweet that was deleted immediately and caused no violence. This disparity shows the UK police are enforcing laws against ‘grossly offensive’ speech rather than actual incitement, demonstrating a failure to uphold historical free speech principles.
Ideology vs. Rule of Law
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  • Key Takeaway: Ideology superseding the law, exemplified by the Scottish Government ignoring Supreme Court rulings, undermines liberal democracy and requires judicial challenge.
  • Summary: When ideology matters more than the law, it threatens the foundation of a liberal society. Activist judges prioritizing ideology over legal interpretation must be challenged through lawfare. The Supreme Court ruling highlighted that a legal fiction, like a Gender Recognition Certificate, does not override biological reality, safeguarding gay rights from being obliterated.
Unite the Kingdom March Analysis
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  • Key Takeaway: Mischaracterizing legitimate concerns as ‘far-right’ or ‘racist’ in public discourse fuels resentment and drives more people toward counter-movements, similar to the Brexit dynamic.
  • Summary: The ‘Unite the Kingdom’ march, despite media narratives, included many people with legitimate concerns who felt smeared by labels. Misrepresenting protests as purely extremist backfires by validating the protesters’ feeling of being misunderstood, potentially increasing future participation. Trevor Phillips observed that the march was not the racist event portrayed, emphasizing the power of competing narratives over objective truth.
Cancel Culture Nuances and Limits
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  • Key Takeaway: The rise of authoritarianism on the right, mirroring tactics like cancel culture, is a predictable backlash as ‘woke’ ideology declines.
  • Summary: The backlash against ‘woke’ authoritarianism risks creating a reciprocal authoritarianism on the right, exemplified by calls to cancel those expressing opposing views. Firing someone for expressing a horrible opinion is distinct from firing them for failing to perform their job duties, such as the Oxford Union president failing to uphold free speech principles. Citizen journalism used to expose and pressure employers of individuals making reprehensible comments is a worrying, reciprocal tactic in the culture war.
Purity Spirals and Adult Disagreement
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  • Key Takeaway: The puritanical desire to see absolute evil in ideological opponents stems from ideological thinking and a lack of humility regarding one’s own fallibility.
  • Summary: The tendency to view any disagreement as evidence of an individual’s irredeemable evil is a narcissistic response rooted in ideological rigidity. Robust, even drunken, political arguments among friends, where disagreement does not destroy relationships, are contrasted with the current viciousness of online dogpiling. Acknowledging that one is wrong about many things and that every perspective contains some element of truth is the baseline for intellectual humility.
Future Trajectories and Liberalism
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  • Key Takeaway: The ultimate danger is a backlash against liberalism itself, leading to new forms of authoritarianism that will ultimately undermine the principles of freedom they seek to defend.
  • Summary: Authoritarianism, as the default human condition, will inevitably re-emerge, and vigilance is required against a backlash against liberalism that mistakes it for the cause of culture war problems. True liberal values require individual autonomy and freedom of speech, but these must operate strictly within the framework of the rule of law and social contract. Instilling new authoritarian precedents, even against perceived enemies, sets a historical pattern that will inevitably rebound to undermine one’s own position.
Andrew Doyle’s Creative Focus
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  • Key Takeaway: Immersion in creative endeavors like Shakespearean study is crucial to avoid becoming a mere engine for culture war rhetoric.
  • Summary: Andrew Doyle has moved to the US to start Friendly Fire Studios, aiming to produce comedies and films, viewing creativity as essential to avoid madness from culture war immersion. He is also lecturing on Shakespeare’s comedies for the Peterson Academy, returning to his doctoral focus. Literature and art are pillars of civilization, and engaging with great works serves as a vital reminder of what society risks losing.