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Reindeer Games w/ Howard Kremer (HDTGM Matinee)

December 2, 2025

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  • The hosts and guest Howard Kremer found the 2000 film *Reindeer Games* to be exceptionally bad, citing bizarre sex scenes, disgusting open-mouthed kissing, and an overly complicated, unbelievable heist plot. 
  • A major revelation for the hosts was discovering that Ben Affleck's character, Rudy, shares a name with Rudolph, connecting the film's title to the Christmas theme in a way they had not previously realized. 
  • The film's convoluted plot relies on multiple layers of deception, including Charlize Theron not being Gary Sinise's sister and Ben Affleck's prison friend actually being alive, all of which culminates in an unnecessary casino heist. 
  • The heist plan in *Reindeer Games* is fundamentally flawed because the robbery is set for Christmas Eve, the least profitable night for the already struggling casino, yet they find a massive amount of cash in the vault. 
  • The film features highly unbelievable action sequences, such as Ben Affleck instantly setting a man on fire with only three squirts from a rum-filled squirt gun, and the final sequence where multiple characters die in identical Santa suits, making them indistinguishable. 
  • The ultimate twist revealed is that the entire prison scheme was orchestrated by Nick's father to ensure his son would return home for Christmas, framing the movie as a bizarre family drama disguised as a crime thriller. 

Segments

Initial Reactions to Reindeer Games
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(00:01:36)
  • Key Takeaway: The film Reindeer Games features Ben Affleck, Charlize Theron, and an Ashton Kutcher cameo, prompting immediate negative reactions from the hosts.
  • Summary: The hosts immediately reference key elements like Ben Affleck, Charlize Theron, cowboy costumes, and an Ashton Kutcher cameo upon introducing the movie. Howard Kremer notes that Reindeer Games was the final film directed by John Frankenheimer. The movie was released in February, two months after the typical holiday dumping ground, suggesting it was considered very poor quality.
Bizarre Sex Scene Details
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(00:04:09)
  • Key Takeaway: The sex scene between Ben Affleck and Charlize Theron featured an unusually framed shot of Affleck’s lower back/upper buttock area described as ‘minotaur looking’.
  • Summary: The hosts focused on the graphic nature of the sex scene, specifically noting an odd camera angle that focused on the area between the waist and upper butt cheek. A secondary observation was the characters falling asleep on the floor immediately after sex, despite a bed being present in the room. This was compared to a similar trope noted in the Twilight films.
Disgusting Kissing Style
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(00:05:47)
  • Key Takeaway: The film features numerous ‘super wet, wide’ open-mouthed kisses that the hosts found unappealing and unnatural.
  • Summary: The hosts criticized the kissing style in the movie, describing it as too wide-mouthed and wet, resembling how children might imitate adult kissing. Paul Scheer shared an anecdote about once attempting to French kiss his mother after seeing it on television, which resulted in her being freaked out.
Prison Riot Over Gelatin
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(00:08:27)
  • Key Takeaway: A prison riot erupts after inmates discover multiple cockroaches in their holiday gelatin, a scene featuring Isaac Hayes.
  • Summary: Ben Affleck’s character, Rudy, is in prison for stabbing someone who harassed his girlfriend. The prison sequence is described as an upsetting, SNL-like sketch where a riot starts over finding ‘monsters’ (cockroaches) in the gelatin served to the inmates. The sheer number of moving parts required for this elaborate setup is questioned later in the discussion.
Rudy’s Internal Monologue
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(00:11:42)
  • Key Takeaway: Ben Affleck’s character, Rudy, engages in both voice-over narration and talking to himself in a mirror, a rare dual narrative technique.
  • Summary: After taking over his dead prison mate’s identity to meet Charlize Theron, Rudy has an internal conflict, talking to himself in a mirror in a crowded department store, saying, ‘Rudy, just get through the holidays.’ This moment, combined with the existing voice-over narration, marks the use of dual narration by a single character.
The Reindeer Games Name Revelation
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(00:15:40)
  • Key Takeaway: The term ‘reindeer games’ has a specific, non-Christmas-song meaning: activities enjoyed only by a clique to make outsiders feel inadequate.
  • Summary: The hosts debated the meaning of ‘reindeer games,’ with Paul Scheer initially linking it only to the Rudolph song. Howard Kremer looked up the term, finding an Urban Dictionary definition referring to clique activities designed to exclude others. This definition immediately clicked with the movie’s plot, leading to the realization that Ben Affleck’s character name is Rudy, making him the titular ‘Rudolph’ figure.
Ashton Kutcher’s Cameo
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(00:38:44)
  • Key Takeaway: Ashton Kutcher appears in Reindeer Games with only two lines, which were reportedly edited out of the director’s cut.
  • Summary: During the casino scouting scene, Ben Affleck spots Ashton Kutcher, who has a similar mustache and goatee. Kutcher, who was already a star from That ’70s Show and Dude, Where’s My Car? (released the same year), only has two lines in the theatrical version. The hosts speculate that Kutcher’s appearance was likely due to obligations to the Weinstein Company.
Ice Fall and Gunfire Facts
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(00:41:28)
  • Key Takeaway: The scene where Charlize Theron falls through the ice and cannot find the hole is factually accurate, but the subsequent use of a machine gun underwater is questionable.
  • Summary: The sequence where Ben Affleck and Charlize Theron fall through the ice and struggle to find the exit hole is confirmed to be based on real dangers of falling through ice. However, the subsequent action where they use a machine gun to shoot through the ice to escape raises questions about the feasibility of firing a fully automatic weapon underwater.
Flaws in Casino Heist Plan
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(00:52:00)
  • Key Takeaway: The heist targets the least profitable night at a losing casino, minimizing potential gains.
  • Summary: The plan to rob the casino on Christmas Eve is illogical because the establishment is losing money, meaning the vault contains the least amount of cash possible. This contradicts typical heist movie tropes where robberies occur on peak money-holding nights. The crew is set to make only hundreds of dollars despite the high risk.
Dennis Farina’s Calm Reaction
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(00:53:05)
  • Key Takeaway: Dennis Farina’s character remains unperturbed during a major casino floor fight.
  • Summary: Security guard Dennis Farina watches a full-on fight with tables flipping on the main floor without reacting strongly. The hosts joke that he must have decided not to freak out because he already demonstrated his intensity in Midnight Run. This lack of reaction is noted as unusual for a security chief during chaos.
Rum Squirt Gun Payoff
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(00:53:22)
  • Key Takeaway: The rum-filled squirt gun becomes a crucial weapon for Ben Affleck’s character.
  • Summary: Ben Affleck’s character is given a weapon that is actually a squirt gun filled with rum, initially presented as comic relief. This seemingly silly item proves vital when he shoots the rum at an assailant who is lighting a cigarette, causing the attacker to burst into Hollywood-style flames. The hosts question the physics of a small squirt engulfing someone in fire.
Indistinguishable Santa Deaths
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(00:55:05)
  • Key Takeaway: The climax suffers from poor visual clarity due to multiple characters wearing identical Santa suits.
  • Summary: The final shootout features numerous point-blank misses, and the deaths are hard to track because everyone is wearing a Santa suit. The hosts cannot recall how specific characters like Danny Trejo die because they are indistinguishable from the other Santas being shot. This visual confusion undermines emotional investment in the character deaths.
Nick’s True Identity Twist
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(00:58:48)
  • Key Takeaway: The entire prison plot was orchestrated by Nick’s father to bring him home for Christmas.
  • Summary: The real twist is that Nick’s father orchestrated the entire situation, including setting up the prison roommate, solely to get Nick home for the holidays. This reveals the movie’s core theme is family, centered around the question of whether one believes in ‘St. Nick.’ Nick ends the film in a bloody Santa suit, claiming he now understands the holidays.
Charlize Theron’s Cliff Death
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(00:59:30)
  • Key Takeaway: Charlize Theron’s character is killed by going over a cliff on the hood of a car.
  • Summary: Charlize Theron’s character is dispatched by going over a cliff while on the hood of a car. Her brother, the subsequent villain, is killed immediately afterward using the exact same method, only this time an 18-wheeler goes over the cliff instead of a car. Ben Affleck’s character delivers the line about never trusting a car thief behind the wheel.
Audience Reviews and Box Office
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(01:00:44)
  • Key Takeaway: Five-star Amazon reviews praise the action as ‘flawless’ but criticize the predictable twist.
  • Summary: One five-star reviewer called the action ‘damn near flawless’ despite the lame twist, while another praised the underrated acting abilities of Affleck and Theron. A third reviewer noted Gary Sinise is terrific but has ‘hideous reptilian looks,’ which supposedly broke camera lenses. The film, budgeted at $40 million, only grossed $30 million worldwide, marking director John Frankenheimer’s final film.
Gross Makeout Scene
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(01:05:31)
  • Key Takeaway: The pool scene revealing Charlize Theron and Gary Sinise as lovers was deemed disgusting by the hosts.
  • Summary: The scene where Charlize Theron and Gary Sinise are revealed to be lovers in a hotel pool area was found to be very gross. The hosts noted Theron’s physical appearance during this scene. The reveal that they were faking their relationship is confirmed when Affleck overhears Theron yelling at Sinise, contradicting the romantic interlude they appeared to be having.