The Toast

The Power of No with Bethenny Frankel: Wednesday, November 12th, 2025

November 12, 2025

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  • Bethenny Frankel's current content creator success, driven by authenticity and trust, financially surpasses her peak Skinny Girl business era. 
  • Frankel attributes her current massive success to saying 'no' to opportunities, which ironically leads to more opportunities and larger financial offers. 
  • The conversation revealed a shared annoyance among the hosts regarding inauthentic celebrity fandom, particularly concerning the overwhelming public support for Taylor Swift's recent activities. 
  • The discussion highlights the difficulty celebrities face balancing high-profile careers with motherhood, exemplified by commentary on Courtney's product endorsements. 
  • The hosts express surprise and confusion over Miles Teller appearing on the Jason and Travis Kelce podcast given the speculated past falling out between Taylor Swift and Miles' wife, Kelly Teller. 
  • The conversation concludes with a reflection that personal integrity and ethics, such as fidelity, ultimately impact professional standing and business relationships. 

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Bethenny’s Career Eras
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(00:00:25)
  • Key Takeaway: Bethenny Frankel’s current TikTok influencer era is generating business revenue significantly larger than her peak Skinny Girl era.
  • Summary: Claudia Oshry notes Bethenny Frankel’s progression through various eras: businesswoman, reality TV star, and now TikTok influencer. Frankel confirms that her current content creation business is much larger than her biggest day selling Skinny Girl. She admits her current success was unplanned, initially expecting to semi-retire after leaving reality TV the second time.
Authenticity and Brand Deals
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(00:05:49)
  • Key Takeaway: Frankel’s content strategy is entirely unscripted, relying on audience trust built from years of perceived authenticity, which allows her to turn down lucrative brand deals.
  • Summary: Bethenny Frankel states she has no strategy and ‘freeballs’ her content, emphasizing that success stems from people investing in her trustworthiness. She confirms she never accepts a brand deal if she doesn’t genuinely connect with or sufficiently use the product. Examples like the Midnight Cream and Lumi Glotion show that her organic endorsement drives massive demand, forcing companies to increase production.
Taylor Swift Opinions
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(00:09:17)
  • Key Takeaway: Frankel admits she was never a Taylor Swift fan but gained respect for her work ethic after attending a concert with her daughter.
  • Summary: Frankel reveals Taylor Swift was never on her radar until a friend offered skybox tickets to a concert. She found the concert long and admired the work ethic, but did not connect to the music, though her daughter became invested. Both hosts agree that the recent cultural pressure to fabricate long-term fandom for Swift is annoying.
Dating Life and Apps
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  • Key Takeaway: Frankel is developing a successful, exploding dating concept that is disrupting the industry, while she views traditional matchmakers as a massive scam.
  • Summary: Frankel claims to have excellent dating game, noting men often blow off younger women to date her, despite her age. She is currently focused on her experimental dating concept, which is attracting investment interest from wealthy participants. She strongly asserts that matchmakers are a scam, citing multiple sources who felt using them (costing up to $250,000) was a complete waste of money.
Moving from New York
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  • Key Takeaway: Bethenny Frankel’s move from New York was motivated by feeling suffocated and lonely in her Connecticut home following a traumatic event, prompting a quick, decisive relocation with her daughter.
  • Summary: Frankel’s departure from New York generated significant media attention, which she notes influenced others to move as well. She found her large Connecticut home ‘soul crushing’ and suffocating, contrasting with her enjoyment of a new NYC condo. A traumatic event prompted her and her daughter to simultaneously decide to move, executing the sale and purchase of homes in just a few weeks.
Thoughts on GLP-1 Drugs (Ozempic)
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  • Key Takeaway: Frankel views GLP-1 drugs as a life-saving management tool for those with ‘food noise,’ while acknowledging the negative perception when used by those who do not medically need them.
  • Summary: Frankel, a user before pregnancy, is a huge fan of the weight loss drugs, calling them a management tool that eliminates ‘food noise.’ She is shocked by how widespread the usage is, including casual use before events. She contrasts her positive experience with the negative views of others, noting that people who lie about using the drugs face backlash when they lose weight.
Celebrity Motherhood Balance
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  • Key Takeaway: Maintaining a high-glam, A-list public life while actively raising children is deemed nearly impossible by the speakers.
  • Summary: One speaker reviewed a product from ‘Courtney,’ appreciating that she balances endorsements with prioritizing motherhood. The speaker noted the immense work required to maintain both a red-carpet presence and active parenting. This lifestyle is considered unsustainable for the speaker personally.
Sabrina Carpenter’s New Role
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  • Key Takeaway: Sabrina Carpenter is set to star in and produce a Universal musical adaptation of ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ produced by Mark Platt.
  • Summary: Sabrina Carpenter will star in and produce a musical ‘Alice in Wonderland’ movie for Universal, a move seen as fitting given her Disney background. The project will be produced by Mark Platt, father of Ben Platt. The hosts believe Carpenter’s singing and dancing skills make her an excellent fit for the role.
Wicked Fandom and Niche Tastes
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  • Key Takeaway: Authenticity in taste is valued, as demonstrated by one host admitting they are not a ‘Wicked’ fanatic and have never seen ‘The Sound of Music.’
  • Summary: One host admitted to not being a ‘Wicked’ fanatic and has never seen the musical, contrasting with widespread hype. This led to a discussion about the freedom to not pretend to like popular things. The hosts respect each other’s niche and nuanced preferences.
Kelce Podcast Guest Controversy
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  • Key Takeaway: Miles Teller’s appearance on Jason and Travis Kelce’s podcast is highly scrutinized due to the prior, abrupt dissolution of his wife Kelly Teller’s friendship with Taylor Swift.
  • Summary: The announcement of Miles Teller as a guest on the Kelce brothers’ podcast created confusion because his wife, Kelly Teller, had a very public, yet brief, friendship with Taylor Swift that ended without explanation. The hosts speculated on whether the appearance signals reconciliation or is a calculated PR move, especially since the podcast episode itself was reportedly uneventful.
Taylor Swift’s Inner Circle Dynamics
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  • Key Takeaway: Extremely successful figures like Taylor Swift enforce strict loyalty within their circle, leading to the complete ’excommunication’ of those who cross perceived boundaries.
  • Summary: The hosts analyzed Taylor Swift’s management of her public image, suggesting a powerful publicist and inner circle guard against leaks or perceived disloyalty. This strict gatekeeping is contrasted with the speaker’s own less exclusive friendships. The concept of successful people only befriending those who understand their level of success was introduced via advice from Lorne Michaels.
Sponsor Segment: Nanit
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(00:52:53)
  • Key Takeaway: The Nanit smart baby monitor system provides essential peace of mind for parents, featuring HD video and an uninterrupted at-home viewing screen.
  • Summary: The Nanit smart baby monitor is highlighted as a crucial tool for modern parenting, allowing parents to check on their baby anytime via phone or a dedicated screen. The system is user-friendly and highly recommended as a gift for new mothers. Nanit’s Black Friday sale offers up to 30% off starting November 20th.
Sponsor Segment: Fatty15
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(00:54:19)
  • Key Takeaway: Fatty15 is a patented, vegan essential fatty acid (C15) supplement offering three times more cellular benefits than omega-3s for longevity and health repair.
  • Summary: Fatty15 contains C15, the first essential fatty acid discovered in over 90 years, which repairs age-related cell damage. The supplement supports sleep, mood, and natural repair mechanisms, boasting superior cellular benefits compared to fish oil. Listeners can get 15% off a 90-day starter kit using code ’toast’ at fatty15.com/slash toast.
Sponsor Segment: Nurture Life
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(00:54:46)
  • Key Takeaway: Nurture Life delivers fully cooked, dietitian-designed meals and snacks for picky eaters aged 10 months to 10 years, ready in one minute.
  • Summary: Nurture Life is a meal delivery service providing nutritious, allergy-friendly options like mac and cheese that kids enjoy, easing parental stress. Meals are fully cooked and ready in one minute, designed by registered dietitians. Use code ’toast’ at nurturelife.com/slash toast for 55% off the first order plus free shipping.
‘Toy Story 5’ Screen Time Debate
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(00:57:15)
  • Key Takeaway: The plot of ‘Toy Story 5,’ where toys fear a child’s high-tech tablet, sparks a debate on whether modern screen time is fundamentally different from past television viewing.
  • Summary: The premise of ‘Toy Story 5’ centers on toys reacting negatively to a child’s iPad, framing it as a commentary on screen time and technology. One host argued that while TV was once a constant babysitter, the iPad’s danger lies in the unfiltered access it provides to the outside world. The hosts generally avoid giving children iPads in restaurants, reserving them primarily for travel.
Disney Adult Culture
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(00:59:37)
  • Key Takeaway: While excessive Disney fandom can cross into inappropriate territory, enjoying nostalgic elements like fuzzy pajamas is acceptable as long as it remains harmless.
  • Summary: The hosts agreed that Disney is generally a happy and nostalgic place, and enjoying it is fine. They differentiated between harmless enjoyment, like wearing fuzzy pajamas, and behavior that becomes ‘over the top’ or inappropriate. The aesthetic of an iPad-using child in a restaurant was deemed ‘so American.’
Ariana Grande & Ethan Slater Relationship
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  • Key Takeaway: Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater are confirmed to still be together, despite public perception that Slater left his wife and newborn for Grande while filming ‘Wicked.’
  • Summary: Ariana Grande confirmed her relationship with Ethan Slater via an Instagram post, surprising the hosts who assumed they had split. Slater’s history includes leaving his wife and newborn to pursue the relationship with Grande, leading to ongoing negative press for Grande regarding relationship respect. The hosts noted that couples who break up families often need to stay together long-term to validate the decision.
Celebrity Infidelity Consequences
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  • Key Takeaway: Personal ethical failures, such as infidelity, are considered integrity issues that should cause hesitation in entering into business deals with the involved parties.
  • Summary: The hosts recalled the historical case of Billy Crudup leaving his seven-month pregnant girlfriend, Mary Louise Parker, for Claire Danes, noting that such actions carry severe consequences. They agreed that integrity issues in personal life directly reflect on professional character. Business partners should be hesitant to work with someone lacking integrity, as personal dirt can inevitably affect professional dealings.