The Joe Rogan Experience

#2402 - Miranda Lambert

October 29, 2025

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  • Engaging in hobbies that demand intense focus, such as mounted shooting or archery, provides a necessary mental break from the pressures of the music industry. 
  • The necessity of having non-work-related activities is crucial for artists to avoid burnout and gather fresh experiences to fuel creativity. 
  • For those pursuing highly competitive careers, eliminating backup plans is essential as they can dilute focus and prevent reaching full potential. 
  • Having no backup plan is crucial for achieving one's full potential in a desired field, as a backup plan robs time and focus, despite the inherent risk. 
  • Finding the specific thing one is truly good at is a form of luck that allows for intense focus and dedication, contrasting with those who struggle to find their niche. 
  • The traditional education system often fails to inspire growing minds by forcing unnatural conformity, potentially stifling talent and leading to boredom or misdiagnosis like ADHD. 
  • Sudden, massive fame, like that experienced by Oliver Anthony, can be jarring because it bypasses the necessary developmental journey of an artist, forcing them to perform on a giant stage without having earned their 'chops.' 
  • Fame achieved too young, exemplified by the comparison to Michael Jackson, is detrimental because it prevents the necessary 'mixing' of life experiences required to develop a stable character, akin to setting cement with the wrong ingredients. 
  • The constant, unrelenting nature of the 'TikTok River' presents a novel challenge for modern youth, as there is no precedent for navigating such immediate, widespread exposure while simultaneously developing one's identity. 
  • Miranda Lambert has taken up riding Gypsy Vanners, starting English lessons at age 30 to build fundamental skills before moving into Western riding and barrel racing aspirations. 
  • Lambert is actively involved in competitive mounted shooting, which is a timed event involving riding at high speeds while shooting targets, and she is learning from highly skilled friends who compete at elite levels. 
  • The conversation highlights the intense, high-skill nature of mounted archery and shooting competitions, noting that participants must master complex maneuvers like gun/bow changes while maintaining control of the horse. 

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Desk Mess and Creativity
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  • Key Takeaway: A messy desk is sometimes rationalized as a byproduct of a creative mind.
  • Summary: A messy desk was attributed to a messy mind, which was then accepted as a default excuse for being a creative person. This exchange highlights a common self-justification used by creative individuals regarding their organizational habits. The speakers briefly touch upon the nature of creative excuses.
Hearing Protection in Music
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  • Key Takeaway: In-ear monitors, used for two decades, are a necessary trade-off for musicians to preserve hearing damaged by loud environments like honky-tonks.
  • Summary: The use of in-ear monitors is credited with saving the hearing of many musicians who previously performed in loud environments without protection. Performers often turn up the volume on these monitors, missing the energy of the room, but view the hearing preservation as a worthwhile trade-off. Exposure to loud music and shooting guns without protection leads to significant hearing loss among older generations.
Communication and Selective Hearing
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  • Key Takeaway: Successful long-term marriage often requires men to develop selective hearing and actively listen to women’s roundabout communication styles.
  • Summary: Men must listen with both ears and follow the roundabout journey of a woman’s communication to maintain marital harmony, as expecting communication like that between male friends is unrealistic. Forcing a partner to repeat instructions verbatim can backfire, as the listener may subconsciously block out the request. Developing the ability to selectively tune things out is presented as a necessary survival skill in relationships.
Mounted Shooting Hobby
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  • Key Takeaway: Mounted shooting, involving firing black powder blanks from a revolver while riding a horse to pop balloons, is an addictive hobby that provides a break from music industry stress.
  • Summary: Miranda Lambert recently took up mounted shooting, a sport that simulates historical Wild West combat training without lethal force. The activity requires intense focus, similar to performing on stage, which helps distract her from daily music industry concerns. The sport’s origin is unknown to the speakers, but it is described as a thrilling new pursuit started later in life.
Importance of Hobbies for Artists
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  • Key Takeaway: Artists benefit significantly from picking up active hobbies outside their primary creative field to gain new life experiences and prevent mental stagnation.
  • Summary: Engaging in activities like golf or archery stimulates the mind and provides a necessary break from constantly thinking about the business side of show business. Joe Rogan encourages comedians to find hobbies to avoid getting lost in their own world, a sentiment echoed by Lambert regarding musicians. Living life and gathering new information is essential for writers to avoid repeating the same material.
Golf and Performance Anxiety
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  • Key Takeaway: Performing a skill one is not proficient at, like golf, in front of an audience creates a unique and intense form of performance anxiety compared to one’s established craft.
  • Summary: Lambert experienced significant pressure playing in a celebrity golf event shortly after starting the sport, feeling intense anxiety about performing poorly. This contrasts sharply with singing, where she is highly skilled and comfortable on stage. The experience highlights the difference between performing a mastered skill versus attempting a new, difficult activity publicly.
OJ Simpson Golf Clubs
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  • Key Takeaway: Jamie Foxx owns a set of OJ Simpson’s golf clubs, which he acquired after Simpson’s death and has used successfully.
  • Summary: Jamie Foxx possesses a few of OJ Simpson’s golf clubs, which he purchased after Simpson passed away. He has used one of the clubs and claims it helped his game, suggesting they are either blessed or cursed. The clubs serve primarily as an interesting conversation starter.
Mutt Nation Foundation Work
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  • Key Takeaway: Miranda Lambert’s Mutt Nation Foundation, started in 2009, has raised over $11 million to advocate for spay/neuter and provide $5,000 grants to shelters across every state annually.
  • Summary: The foundation focuses on advocating for ‘adopt, don’t shop’ principles and supporting existing shelters rather than operating its own facilities. Lambert’s passion stems from growing up in the country surrounded by stray animals, which informed her choice of charity work when she gained a platform. The foundation aims to support a different shelter in every state each year.
Allergies in Texas
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  • Key Takeaway: Moving to areas like Austin or Nashville can trigger severe, delayed allergic reactions as the body adjusts to a new ecosystem’s allergens over several years.
  • Summary: Joe Rogan noted developing allergies after moving to Austin, which Lambert confirmed is a common experience, often manifesting after about three years of exposure. Lambert’s daughter experienced severe reactions to horses even while on allergy shots, requiring immediate medical attention in Rome. Dealing with local allergens is a necessary trade-off for the positive aspects of living in Texas.
Austin Comedy Scene Growth
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  • Key Takeaway: Austin’s comedy scene rapidly expanded during the pandemic because it was one of the few places allowing live indoor shows, attracting major comedians from LA.
  • Summary: When the primary comedy club in Austin closed before the pandemic, the scene was relatively empty. When restrictions eased, Austin became a hub because comedians sought venues where they could perform live instead of waiting for LA to reopen. The presence of established comics like Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe solidified the city’s new status as a comedy destination.
Returning to Touring Post-COVID
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  • Key Takeaway: The first live show back after a long hiatus felt overwhelmingly emotional, reminding the artist how much she missed the grinding nature of touring.
  • Summary: Miranda Lambert’s first show back after 332 days without performances was at Billy Bob’s in Fort Worth, Texas, which felt rowdy and old-school honky-tonk. The experience was so moving that she cried, realizing she genuinely missed the road and the grind of touring, which she had done since age 17. Touring becomes harder after 40 because recovery time is slower, emphasizing the need for forced winter vacations.
Pool as a Mental Game
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  • Key Takeaway: Professional pool is an intensely mental game requiring complete concentration on geometry, spin, and precise ball control, leading some players to use drugs to achieve peak focus states.
  • Summary: Pool is unique because it involves controlling the movement of two balls simultaneously using spin (English), demanding extreme mental synchronization. The rare state of ‘being in dead stroke’ is highly addictive, where the player feels completely in sync with the table and cannot miss. This pursuit of peak mental clarity is so intense that some professional players reportedly use substances to replicate this feeling consistently.
No Backup Plan Necessity
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  • Key Takeaway: A backup plan actively robs the necessary time and energy required to reach one’s full potential in a dedicated pursuit.
  • Summary: The hunger created by having no alternative path fuels success, acting as an unexplainable fire. While this advice is risky for everyone, it is essential for those with talent and desire to stay the course. The backup plan steals focus and energy, preventing the achievement of maximum potential.
Finding One’s Talent
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  • Key Takeaway: People who find the thing they are truly good at are considered lucky, as many others struggle without knowing their inherent aptitude.
  • Summary: Struggles in school or work might stem from not yet discovering one’s true talent, leading to self-doubt. Once that specific passion is found, like riding horses or shooting balloons, the individual recognizes their purpose. This realization is a powerful moment of self-discovery that many people never experience.
Accomplishment and New Hobbies
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  • Key Takeaway: Feeling accomplished after hitting major goals often leads to a desire for new hobbies and interests later in life, possibly linked to wisdom and age.
  • Summary: Reaching established goals allows for a period of relaxation where one no longer worries about ‘making it.’ This shift enables a focus on finding new, interesting activities to pursue. This change in focus is associated with gaining wisdom and feeling a sense of completion regarding prior life objectives.
Public Speaking Anxiety
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  • Key Takeaway: Public speaking is not impossible, but requires repeated practice, and it is a crucial component of performance careers like singing.
  • Summary: The anxiety surrounding public speaking is surmountable, as it is not an impossible skill like breathing underwater. A supportive teacher can recognize the need for confidence development in shy individuals pursuing performance arts. Confidence in one’s personality between songs is as vital as the performance itself for connecting with an audience.
Choosing Scary Professions
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  • Key Takeaway: Unclear or difficult career pathways, like professional fighting or comedy, attract individuals who prefer less competition and are comfortable with risk.
  • Summary: The difficulty and ambiguity of a career path naturally filter out many aspirants, leaving those who are drawn to the challenge. Comedians and fighters often fall into these categories because the path is foggy and attracts ‘misfits.’ This self-selection ensures the participant is surrounded by like-minded, interesting people.
First Time Performing Fear
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  • Key Takeaway: The raw vulnerability of performing comedy or sharing personal work on stage can induce greater fear than physical confrontation like fighting.
  • Summary: The speaker experienced more fear performing stand-up comedy for the first time than during years of martial arts competition. This bafflement stems from the exposure of one’s heart and jokes to public judgment. Realizing that comedy, like fighting, involves starting terribly and improving over time helped normalize the experience.
Belief in Fate
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  • Key Takeaway: Success in one’s chosen path often reinforces a belief in fate, even if the rational mind seeks to attribute outcomes to randomness.
  • Summary: The speaker believes in fate because their career path worked out, despite acknowledging the universe’s vast randomness. Everything that happens, even seemingly small choices, has a giant impact on one’s personal world and matters deeply. The bizarre reasons behind life events suggest a plan exists for individuals.
Nicotine as a Nootropic
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  • Key Takeaway: Nicotine itself is neuroprotective and cognitively enhancing, but the delivery method, especially in cigarettes or sugary vapes, is what causes harm.
  • Summary: Nicotine functions as a nootropic, enhancing memory and brain function, unlike the harmful chemicals added to traditional cigarettes. The problem lies in delivery methods, such as smoking or vaping sugary liquids, which can lead to addiction and health issues like elevated blood sugar. Products like Alpha Brain are cited as beneficial nootropics for memory enhancement.
Adderall Prescription Growth
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  • Key Takeaway: Adderall prescriptions in the US have shown notable growth, reaching 45 million in 2023, driven partly by increased diagnoses and competitive pressures.
  • Summary: The number of Adderall prescriptions has increased significantly since 2019, rising from 35 million to 45 million by 2023. This growth is linked to conditions like ADHD and narcolepsy, but also potentially to competitive parents seeking advantages for their children in school. Many adults are reportedly using these stimulants to enhance focus for tasks like writing.
Social Media Detox Hypocrisy
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  • Key Takeaway: People who take breaks from social media often undermine the virtue of their detox by publicly announcing their absence from social media.
  • Summary: Announcing a social media break is a common behavior, often done to signal personal virtue to others. True breaks should be kept secret, similar to personal spiritual growth practices like not eating meat. The speaker notes that while social media is annoying, it is invaluable for artists and comedians to promote their work.
Sudden Fame vs. Earning Chops
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  • Key Takeaway: Bypassing the traditional journey of performance development leads to a jarring experience for sudden superstars like Oliver Anthony.
  • Summary: The speaker advised Oliver Anthony not to sign any deals immediately after his massive hit, emphasizing that he already possessed talent and fame. The speaker stressed that having a regular blue-collar life developed his character, making the sudden success feel like stepping into a magic story. This rapid ascent reverses the normal artistic journey, forcing the artist to develop character while already famous.
Dangers of Early Fame
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  • Key Takeaway: Achieving fame as a child prevents the necessary, correct mixing of life ingredients required for healthy personal development.
  • Summary: Fame starting too young is nearly impossible to survive without becoming ‘fucked up,’ as the formative years are spent under public scrutiny. The analogy of mixing cement illustrates that if essential life ingredients are missed early on, the resulting person cannot be remixed later. The speaker is glad to have developed character in private, dive bar settings before achieving widespread recognition.
Navigating the TikTok River
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  • Key Takeaway: The internet, specifically TikTok, represents a new element of civilization for which there is no precedent on how children should navigate it.
  • Summary: The ‘TikTok River’ is a raging, non-stop force that exposes children to scrutiny without established guidelines for behavior. While it can bring positive exposure, like finding talent or promoting causes like rescue dogs, it is inherently sketchy for developing minds. The speaker believes children must be exposed to it to learn how to handle it, even if they choose to avoid social media themselves.
Fame for Fame’s Sake
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  • Key Takeaway: A significant percentage of young people desire fame without possessing a specific skill or art form to justify it.
  • Summary: Kids are often motivated by seeking attention rather than mastering an art form, contrasting with artists like Oliver Anthony whose viral success was tied to a specific song. The desire is often just to be an ‘important person’ with nice things, as exemplified by figures like Kim Kardashian who achieved massive fame without excelling in a specific trade. This trend allows people to be famous while being ‘dumb and not good at a thing,’ leading to a lack of fulfillment.
Folk Art and Fulfillment
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  • Key Takeaway: Engaging in any activity, even poorly executed hobbies like painting folk art chickens, provides fulfillment and accomplishment lacking in fame without skill.
  • Summary: The speaker finds personal fulfillment in painting terrible folk art chickens, an activity he pursues for enjoyment and learning, not attention. Folk art is defined as reflecting the cultural life of a community, though the speaker’s attempts are purely for personal enjoyment. This pursuit of trying something, even badly, offers a sense of accomplishment that being famous for nothing cannot.
Ferocity of Chickens
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  • Key Takeaway: Chickens, being descendants of dinosaurs, exhibit extreme ferocity when hunting small prey like mice, often attacking each other to secure the kill.
  • Summary: The speaker recounted an incident where chickens violently attacked and devoured a mouse, displaying raptor-like behavior. Videos confirmed that chickens will aggressively steal prey from cats and tear mice apart quickly. This behavior underscores the ruthless, primal nature of chickens, despite their common perception as gentle farm animals.
Roosters and Animal Cruelty
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  • Key Takeaway: Roosters are inherently aggressive, often attacking owners and hens, leading to their removal or, in some cultural contexts, being used in illegal, cruel fighting rings.
  • Summary: Roosters are described as mean and brutal, attacking people and ripping feathers out of hens, leading the speaker to give his away to avoid killing it. The speaker’s charity work has involved breaking up illegal chicken fighting rings where roosters are kept in tiny cages and fitted with spurs or knives for fighting. In these subcultures, fighting is a form of gambling recreation, and the losers are often cooked and eaten.
Pit Bulls and Dog Rescue Realities
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  • Key Takeaway: While pit bulls are loving pets, their high prey drive and history of being bred for fighting make them inherently dangerous around other dogs, requiring specialized ownership.
  • Summary: Underground dog fighting is considered worse than chicken fighting because it involves the abuse of dogs, which are otherwise loving and loyal pets. Pit bulls often end up in shelters due to fear or confiscation from fighting rings, but they can be amazing dogs if vetted properly. However, their bred tendency to fight means owners must be aware of their behavior around other dogs, often requiring an ‘alpha male’ household dynamic to manage.
Dog Breed Selection and Care
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  • Key Takeaway: Prospective dog owners must thoroughly research a breed’s needs and temperament, fostering or spending significant time with the dog to avoid surrendering it later.
  • Summary: The heartbreak of owner surrenders often stems from people not understanding the dog’s needs, such as getting a high-energy working dog when seeking a lazy companion. Great Pyrenees are cited as a good balance, offering protection against threats like coyotes while being sweet lap dogs otherwise. Knowing the breed’s inherent traits, like a Golden Retriever’s squirrel aggression, is crucial for household readiness.
Evolution of Dogs from Wolves
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  • Key Takeaway: The transformation of wolves into the vast array of modern dog breeds, especially small, helpless ones, represents the weirdest animal transformation caused by human interaction.
  • Summary: Humans took wolves and selectively bred them into ‘bitches’ that are completely dependent, such as tiny breeds like Shih Tzus. This process likely began when early humans shared food with wolves, who in turn provided protection and warnings about intruders. This relationship evolved to create specialized breeds, like herding dogs that protect sheep from the very wolves they descended from.
High-Drive Working Dogs
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  • Key Takeaway: The Belgian Malinois is an intensely driven, smart, and athletic working dog whose extreme capabilities require constant activity and specialized handling.
  • Summary: Belgian Malinois are described as ‘meat missiles’ designed to ‘go fuck things up,’ capable of incredible feats like running over obstacles during drills. They are intimidating because they constantly assess whether a person is a threat or a handler. These dogs are not suitable for casual ownership; leaving them alone or asking someone else to watch them is strongly discouraged due to their high activity needs.
Alcohol’s Role in Entertainment
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  • Key Takeaway: Alcohol lowers inhibitions, making it culturally acceptable and historically linked to social activities like music and comedy shows, encouraging participation.
  • Summary: The speaker has reduced his drinking because he felt better overall, despite enjoying the buzz and the social aspect of drinking in show business culture. Alcohol lowers inhibitions, encouraging people to sing, dance, and engage with live performances, which is why it is often part of the entertainment environment. Unlike illegal drugs, alcohol is a culturally accepted substance where a good percentage of people know their appropriate dose.
Music as an Emotional Drug
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  • Key Takeaway: Music is a powerful drug in itself, capable of evoking profound emotions and inspiration, fulfilling the artist’s job when a song changes or validates a listener’s life.
  • Summary: Live music is inspirational because it provides an experience that cannot be replicated through recordings, allowing the audience to simply be entertained. A great song does something powerful to the listener, evoking strong emotions like inspiration or catharsis. Miranda Lambert noted that hearing fans say a song like ‘The House That Built Me’ changed their life is the ultimate reminder of why she creates music.
Feisty Songs and Concert Fights
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  • Key Takeaway: Miranda Lambert’s feisty songs frequently incite physical altercations between female audience members at her concerts, prompting her to intervene from the stage.
  • Summary: The speaker believes Miranda Lambert might have more female fans fighting at her shows than other female singers due to the energy of her ‘ramp-up’ songs. She often has to stop performing to tell the women in the front row to ’tone it down’ when fights break out. This reaction confirms that her music successfully brings out strong emotion, which is the artist’s job.
Lucas Nelson’s Talent
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  • Key Takeaway: Lucas Nelson possesses exceptional musical talent, particularly in soul music, and performs with intense physical commitment, including impressive backbends while playing guitar.
  • Summary: Lucas Nelson blew the speaker away at the Makana event, proving he is a great musician beyond being Willie Nelson’s son. His soul-infused performances shine because they differ from expectations, showcasing powerful vocal range and technique. He performs with his entire body, executing difficult physical maneuvers like bending backward while soloing, which requires significant core strength.
Horse Riding Fundamentals
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  • Key Takeaway: English riding lessons are recommended over Western riding to establish proper fundamentals, as English style is more proper and teaches better control.
  • Summary: Miranda Lambert started riding horses at age 30, initially trying Hunter Jumper but falling frequently, leading a trainer to recommend English lessons for foundational skills. English riding emphasizes proper posture and control, contrasting with the looser style of Western riding. She now rides safer Gypsy Vanners to avoid injury while continuing to learn.
Competitive Mounted Shooting
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  • Key Takeaway: Competitive mounted shooting involves timed courses where riders must accurately shoot targets while navigating patterns at high speeds, often requiring multiple gun changes.
  • Summary: Lambert competed in mounted shooting last year, noting it is a scary but fun timed event where precision and speed are paramount. Competitors are timed after a flag drop, and elite riders like her friend Kenda can complete the course in seven or eight seconds compared to Lambert’s 28 seconds. The competition involves 10 total shots, requiring riders to change pistols mid-run.
Mounted Archery History
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  • Key Takeaway: Historical mounted archery, practiced by groups like the Mongols and Comanches, involved timing arrow release precisely during the horse’s stride to minimize disturbance.
  • Summary: The discussion explored mounted archery, noting that historical practitioners learned to time their arrow release while the horse was in the air for maximum accuracy. Modern mounted archery competitions feature targets and can involve rifles, requiring riders to steer solely with their legs when using two hands for shooting. The mounted shooting events Lambert participates in use black powder, not live ammunition, for safety.
Public Criticism and Wrap Up
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  • Key Takeaway: Public figures like Lambert often face criticism for their activities, such as mounted shooting, but maintaining focus on personal standards and staying offline helps manage negativity.
  • Summary: Despite safety measures like earplugs and using black powder, Lambert receives criticism for the loud nature of mounted shooting events. She acknowledges the impossibility of pleasing everyone, emphasizing the importance of staying true to oneself and avoiding online negativity. The segment concludes with Lambert confirming her upcoming San Antonio Rodeo performance in February.