Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 210

November 29, 2025

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  • The Stop Cop City movement, despite its genuine belief in winnability, ultimately fell short due to a failure to adapt strategy after police broke their initial paralysis and escalated repression tactics, particularly following the killing of Tortuguita and the subsequent RICO indictments. 
  • The Atlanta struggle served as a crucial training ground for both activists and the state, with law enforcement testing counterinsurgency tactics that are now being implemented nationwide under the Trump administration's expansion of police power. 
  • The recent location-sharing feature on X (the everything app) is misleading for assessing foreign influence, as the widespread use of VPNs prevents verification of account locations, contributing instead to a general fog of disinformation that benefits authoritarian narratives. 
  • The news outlet Axios is criticized for its rapid, short-form journalism model, which allegedly made it susceptible to publishing a leaked, Russian-drafted Ukraine peace plan, potentially bypassing official U.S. diplomatic channels. 
  • The dissolution of the 'Doge' entity (a Trump administration initiative focused on government efficiency) is noted, with former members moving into significant roles within federal agencies, suggesting the underlying efficiency goals persist despite the entity's disbandment. 
  • New York City Mayor-elect Zora Mamdani's meeting with Donald Trump is analyzed as a successful, albeit awkward, exercise in pragmatic harm reduction politics, where Mamdani secured rhetorical concessions from Trump regarding ICE enforcement and federal funding for NYC, while also publicly calling the U.S. complicit in the genocide in Gaza. 
  • The host's investigation into Grindr during the RNC concluded that the rumored massive influx of closeted Republicans was largely unfounded, with the majority of increased activity coming from local users curious about the event and security personnel. 
  • The cultural phenomenon of wealthy, powerful figures like Sam Bankman-Fried and Elon Musk adopting a 'gamer' identity is a strategy to gain credibility or baffle mainstream journalists who lack understanding of the massive gaming industry. 
  • The gaming community is contested ground, with right-wing movements attempting to claim the 'gamer' identity (often associated with insecurity and grievance) while simultaneously alienating large, diverse segments of the actual gaming population, including queer creators and players. 
  • Elon Musk's attempt to feign expertise in the game *Path of Exile 2* backfired spectacularly, leading to widespread ridicule even from his right-wing allies like Asmongold, because the gaming community has a robust culture of exposing cheaters and fakers. 
  • The speaker argues that the significant pushback against Musk from within the gaming sphere, exemplified by figures like YouTuber Carl Jobst, represents a stronger condemnation of his dishonesty than what has emerged from mainstream press, suggesting a critical erosion of trust in his claims across various fields. 
  • The ultimate strategic importance of this fracturing support is framed as a method to dismantle coalitions supporting figures like Musk, drawing a parallel to the Bolsheviks succeeding by having enough opponents stay home during the confrontation. 

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Compilation Episode Introduction
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(00:02:25)
  • Key Takeaway: The episode is a compilation of the week’s content with fewer ads.
  • Summary: Host Robert Evans introduces the episode as a compilation of the week’s content for listeners who prefer a long stretch.
Cop City Opening and Context
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  • Key Takeaway: The Atlanta Public Safety Training Center (Cop City) officially opened after four years of protests.
  • Summary: Details the opening of Cop City on April 29, 2025, and host Garrison Davis’s history covering the movement since 2021.
Movement Phase 1: Sabotage
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  • Key Takeaway: The initial phase was defined by militant sabotage and tree spiking.
  • Summary: Describes the opening attack phase of the movement characterized by tree spiking and sabotage targeting construction equipment.
Movement Phase 2: Occupation Begins
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  • Key Takeaway: After the land lease vote, the movement shifted to physical occupation and pressure campaigns.
  • Summary: Details the shift to physical occupation of the forest and pressure campaigns against subcontractors, noting initial police paralysis.
Police Break Paralysis
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  • Key Takeaway: Police escalated tactics with large raids starting in May 2022, leading up to Tortuguita’s death.
  • Summary: Discusses the end of police paralysis, large-scale raids, and how this led up to the killing of Tortuguita in January 2023.
Revenge Phase and March 5th
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  • Key Takeaway: The period after Tortuguita’s death was high-intensity, peaking with the March 5th action.
  • Summary: Covers the ‘revenge phase’ culminating in the March 5th protest where equipment was burned, followed by 23 arrests charged with domestic terrorism.
Limbo Phase and Setbacks
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  • Key Takeaway: After March 5th, the movement entered limbo with internal tension, police fortification, and the raid on the Atlanta Solidarity Fund.
  • Summary: Describes the period of heightened tension, restricted entry to the forest, the clear-cutting, and the subsequent raid on the legal defense fund.
Repression Phase and RICO Indictment
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  • Key Takeaway: State repression solidified with the August 2023 RICO indictment, stifling momentum.
  • Summary: Details the repression phase, including the RICO indictment of 61 people, surveillance, and house raids.
Failure to Adapt Strategy
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  • Key Takeaway: The movement struggled to prefigure alternative strategies after the forest occupation became impossible.
  • Summary: Activists noted a failure to adapt after the forest occupation ended, leading to a lack of clear next steps.
Understanding the OODA Loop
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  • Key Takeaway: The movement needed to escalate or change tactics when police broke out of their initial paralysis.
  • Summary: Explains the OODA loop military decision-making model and how the movement needed contingency plans when police adapted.
Police Panic and Adaptation
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  • Key Takeaway: Direct action can cause police panic, but they will eventually adapt if new tactics aren’t introduced.
  • Summary: Cites examples of police panic during confrontations, emphasizing the need for constant tactical innovation to keep the enemy off balance.
State Capitalizes on Momentum Dip
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  • Key Takeaway: The state successfully exploited dips in movement momentum with coordinated repression like the RICO charges.
  • Summary: Analyzes how the state used the RICO indictment and house raids as a ‘crippling one-two punch’ when activist energy tapered.
Fear as an Offensive Tool
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  • Key Takeaway: Activists recognized that the state (police) is also susceptible to fear, which can be used offensively.
  • Summary: Discusses how the movement used the police’s fear of the unknown (e.g., booby traps) as a tactic, contrasting it with the state’s use of fear as repression.
Transitioning Beyond Atlanta
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  • Key Takeaway: Keeping the movement in a ‘zombie state’ prevents internalization of lessons for future, larger struggles.
  • Summary: Argues that activists must close the book on the local struggle to internalize lessons and apply them to the nationwide police state expansion.
Cop City as a Training Ground
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  • Key Takeaway: Cop City served as a training ground for both anarchists and the state in counterinsurgency tactics.
  • Summary: Highlights the irony that the facility meant for police training became a proving ground for activist learning, which the state then studied.
State Lessons Learned Nationwide
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  • Key Takeaway: The state is exporting Atlanta’s repression strategies nationally, necessitating a nationwide response from activists.
  • Summary: An anarchist notes that police propaganda and legal/militant repression strategies have spread outward from Atlanta, requiring activists to do the same.
Trump Executive Orders on Policing
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  • Key Takeaway: Trump signed orders to unleash local police, increase federal support, and militarize the National Guard for civil disturbances.
  • Summary: Details Trump’s executive order strengthening law enforcement, increasing legal protections for officers, and mandating National Guard quick reaction forces.
Targeting Financial Networks
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  • Key Takeaway: New federal strategy targets financial networks funding political violence and NGOs supporting activists.
  • Summary: Covers the National Security Presidential Memorandum 7, which directs investigations into funders of political violence, including tax-exempt entities.
Surveillance Company Growth
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  • Key Takeaway: Flock Safety cameras, first used against Cop City protesters, have spread nationwide and are used by ICE.
  • Summary: Discusses the expansion of the surveillance company Flock Safety and how their technology is being used by various agencies.
State Weaponization of Fear
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  • Key Takeaway: The state aggressively punishes attempts to identify agents (ICE/police) because they are also susceptible to fear.
  • Summary: Examines the state’s reaction to activists identifying agents, showing that the state fears exposure and retaliation.
Militancy as Daily Practice
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  • Key Takeaway: Success required militant anarchism as a daily practice of counter-surveillance and evasion.
  • Summary: Highlights the lesson that security culture and constant maneuvering are necessary because the adversary is always hunting.
Successes and Shortcomings
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  • Key Takeaway: The movement achieved success in delaying and altering the facility, despite its ultimate failure to stop it.
  • Summary: Acknowledges the movement’s impact: delaying construction, increasing costs, and reducing the scope of the mock city design.
Closing the Book Ourselves
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  • Key Takeaway: Activists must define the legacy of the movement themselves to prevent external forces from controlling the narrative.
  • Summary: A final call to action to ‘rubber stamp’ the end of the battle internally rather than letting the state or capital define the outcome.
Critique of Social Media Apps
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  • Key Takeaway: Social media apps, like X (the everything app), can negatively affect users’ brains by introducing false information.
  • Summary: The speakers discuss how using social media apps, specifically mentioning X, can be detrimental to one’s brain health by exposing users to untrue information. They acknowledge this is a common problem.
Axios’s News Format and Audience
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  • Key Takeaway: Axios is characterized as a news outlet catering to readers who dislike paragraphs, often associated with short attention spans or drug use.
  • Summary: The conversation pivots to discussing Axios, describing it humorously as the news outlet for people who hate paragraphs, suggesting its format appeals to those reading news while using the restroom or while on cocaine, catering to an ‘ADHD brain’ audience.
Russian Peace Plan Leak via Axios
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  • Key Takeaway: Axios published a proposed US peace plan for Ukraine that was actually a Russian wishlist, highlighting the danger of their speed-focused journalism model.
  • Summary: The hosts discuss a report where Axios published a 28-point plan regarding Ukraine that was immediately rejected by US senators as not being US-authored, suggesting it was a Russian leak strategically placed via Axios to influence Trump.
Steve Witkoff’s Role and X Misuse
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  • Key Takeaway: Steve Witkoff, linked to drafting the Russian plan, publicly tried to deny the leak on X, inadvertently confirming the source’s initials (‘K’).
  • Summary: The discussion focuses on Steve Witkoff, identified as potentially drafting the plan with a Russian envoy, and his clumsy attempt to deny the leak on X, where he referenced ‘K’ (likely Karel Dmitriev).
Axios Business Model Exploited by Leaks
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  • Key Takeaway: Axios’s business model, prioritizing speed and short articles for social media clicks, makes it vulnerable to being used by state actors to quickly disseminate strategic leaks.
  • Summary: The hosts analyze how Axios’s focus on speed and insider journalism allows actors like Russia to place leaks that will be rushed to press, potentially bypassing official channels and influencing figures like Trump.
Disbandment of DOGE and Personnel Moves
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  • Key Takeaway: The DOGE initiative has been disbanded, but former employees who implemented cuts (including to USAID) have moved into high-level positions elsewhere in the government.
  • Summary: The segment reports that DOGE has been disbanded, and the hiring freeze it mandated is over. They detail how former DOGE officials landed roles in agencies they previously cut, such as HHS and State.
DOGE Staff Fear Prosecution
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  • Key Takeaway: Former DOGE figures are reportedly worried about future prosecution for their actions, as Elon Musk’s protection (his line to Trump) is gone.
  • Summary: The hosts discuss reports that former DOGE employees feel exposed now that Musk is less involved, fearing prosecution for their actions during the Trump administration’s push for government efficiency.
Trump Administration’s Education Department Cuts
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  • Key Takeaway: The Trump administration is continuing efforts to dismantle the Department of Education by shifting duties to other agencies under the guise of ‘streamlining’ and returning power to states.
  • Summary: The discussion covers the Trump administration’s move to break up the Education Department’s functions across Departments of Labor, Interior, HHS, and State, specifically citing a desire to return education to the states.
Border Patrol Surveillance Tactics
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  • Key Takeaway: Border Patrol leadership is actively using internal enforcement operations, labeling teams ‘sanctuary busters,’ and employing extensive license plate reader surveillance nationwide.
  • Summary: The hosts discuss an interview with Gregory Buffino, who leads an internal enforcement operation called ‘sanctuary busters,’ and the expansion of CBP’s use of license plate readers for predictive surveillance across the country.
Expansion of Surveillance Technology
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  • Key Takeaway: The use of surveillance technology, including access to networks like Flock Safety, has massively increased between 2020 and today, often targeting migrants and their helpers.
  • Summary: The segment details how Border Patrol accesses integrated camera networks like Flock Safety, noting the massive growth in surveillance used to profile movements, even outside the traditional 100-mile border zone.
Zoran Mamdani Meets Donald Trump
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  • Key Takeaway: Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani met with Donald Trump, displaying surprising political maneuvering that led Trump to express support for Mamdani’s affordability goals.
  • Summary: The hosts analyze the meeting between Zoran Mamdani and Donald Trump, noting Trump’s uncharacteristic enthusiasm and willingness to support Mamdani’s New York City affordability agenda.
Reconciling Differences on ICE
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  • Key Takeaway: Mamdani and Trump publicly discussed their differences on ICE, with Trump framing the issue around removing ‘known murderers,’ while Mamdani focused on stopping roving raids.
  • Summary: The discussion covers the exchange regarding ICE, where Trump seemed to push for Mamdani to soften his stance against the agency, while Mamdani focused on limiting enforcement to serious criminals.
Mamdani Confirms Trump is a Fascist
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  • Key Takeaway: During the press conference, Zoran Mamdani explicitly affirmed that he considers President Trump a fascist when asked directly by a reporter.
  • Summary: The hosts react to the remarkable moment where Mamdani answered ‘yes’ when asked if he considered Trump a fascist, noting Trump’s reaction suggested he preferred bluntness over political maneuvering.
Mamdani’s Populist Strategy with Trump
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  • Key Takeaway: Mamdani successfully navigated the meeting by appealing to Trump’s interest in real estate development (YIMBYism) and shared admiration for FDR, leading Trump to promise not to cut city funding.
  • Summary: The hosts break down Mamdani’s tactics, including referencing FDR and focusing on housing construction, which seemed to disarm Trump and secure promises of federal support for New York City.
Mamdani Addresses Gaza Genocide
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  • Key Takeaway: Mamdani used the White House platform to state that the US is funding a genocide in Gaza, quickly pivoting back to domestic issues like homelessness.
  • Summary: The speakers discuss Mamdani’s comments on the conflict in Gaza, noting the jarring tonal shift from discussing genocide to New York City’s affordability crisis.
Critiques of Mamdani’s Pragmatism
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  • Key Takeaway: Mamdani faces criticism from the left for engaging in pragmatic negotiation with Trump rather than purely performative protest, which the hosts argue is more effective for systemic change.
  • Summary: The hosts address criticisms from figures like Kshama Sawant, who advocate for mass protest over meeting with Trump. The hosts defend Mamdani’s approach as strategic negotiation aimed at harm reduction.
Mamdani Retains Police Commissioner Tisch
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  • Key Takeaway: Mamdani is facing criticism for retaining NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch and for not endorsing a primary challenge against Hakeem Jeffries, prioritizing his city agenda over ideological purity.
  • Summary: The hosts discuss recent criticisms against Mamdani regarding his decision to keep Jessica Tisch and his stance on the Jeffries primary, framing these as necessary strategic choices for implementing his city agenda.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Leaving the House
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  • Key Takeaway: Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) is leaving the House of Representatives at the end of the year, allowing the acronym MTG to return to Magic: The Gathering.
  • Summary: A brief mention that MTG is leaving the House, leading to a joke about the acronym being reclaimed by the card game.
RNC Grindr Investigation Setup
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  • Key Takeaway: The host assigned themselves the task of investigating rumors about Republicans using Grindr during the RNC.
  • Summary: The host introduces their special assignment to investigate the intersection of conservatism and homosexuality by monitoring Grindr during the Republican National Convention, noting the frequent coverage of anti-queer legislation.
Undercover Prep and Grindr Profile
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  • Key Takeaway: The host prepared an undercover persona, ‘Dale Cooper moding,’ and adjusted their Grindr profile for stealth.
  • Summary: Details on the host’s preparation, including clothing choices, hair styling, and modifying their Grindr profile (username ‘Twink’) to appear as a Gen Z attendee for safety while investigating.
Observing RNC Attendees at Airport
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  • Key Takeaway: The host observed a distinct demographic shift among travelers heading to Milwaukee, noting they referred to the RNC simply as ’the Convention.'
  • Summary: Description of the older white men and Fox News-cosplaying women at the airport gate, and overhearing hushed conversations about ’the Convention.'
Grindr Proximity Tracking Methodology
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  • Key Takeaway: The host used Grindr’s proximity detector near the convention center to track active users.
  • Summary: The host explains how they used the Pfizer Forum area to check Grindr feeds and how they later used distance markers (relative to Atlanta) to confirm out-of-state RNC attendees.
Highlights from Grindr Inbox
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  • Key Takeaway: The host shared several notable interactions, including one user asking if they were ‘with the GOP’ and another asking ‘Corey who?’ after a mention of the rally shooting victim.
  • Summary: Recounting specific messages received, including encounters with chasers, locals, and a Trump supporter who was unaware of Corey Compertor.
Grindr App Glitches During RNC
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  • Key Takeaway: The host had to view many unsolicited explicit photos due to a glitch preventing profile viewing from the DMs page.
  • Summary: Discussion of the non-negotiable nature of unsolicited dick pics on Grindr, exacerbated by an app glitch that required opening individual chats to view profiles, even while watching Ted Cruz’s speech.
Grindr Outages and Usage Data
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  • Key Takeaway: Reports confirmed widespread Grindr issues in Milwaukee, but the ‘Grinder Super Bowl’ claim was debunked as satire.
  • Summary: Citing Down Detector reports and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the host discusses the app instability, noting that the viral claim of the RNC being Grindr’s Super Bowl came from a satire account.
Comparing RNC vs. DNC Grindr Activity
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  • Key Takeaway: Data from 2016 showed the DNC generated a much larger, more relevant bump in visiting Grindr users than the RNC.
  • Summary: Reviewing 2016 data showing the RNC had a 66% usage increase, while the DNC saw a 148% increase, with a higher percentage of DNC users being visitors rather than locals.
Conclusion: RNC Grindr Activity Analysis
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  • Key Takeaway: The activity bump was mostly due to locals and security personnel, not closeted RNC attendees.
  • Summary: The host concludes that only a small minority of activity was from RNC attendees; the majority came from curious locals, journalists, and a surprising number of cops working security.
Warning Against Political Talk on Apps
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  • Key Takeaway: The host warns listeners against discussing political activities, especially protests, on dating apps like Grindr during major events.
  • Summary: A few users mentioned attending protests against the RNC, prompting the host to strongly advise against discussing political activities on dating apps at such events.
Tech Elites Pretending to be Gamers
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  • Key Takeaway: Wealthy tech figures like SBF and Elon Musk use gamer identity to project an image of eccentric genius or meme-lord status.
  • Summary: The podcast pivots to discuss why powerful figures like Sam Bankman-Fried and Elon Musk cultivate a gamer persona, linking it to the cultural power and lack of critical scrutiny in the gaming industry.
Michael Lewis’s Gullibility and Sports Analogy
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  • Key Takeaway: Journalists like Michael Lewis are easily fooled by the ‘gamer’ affect because they lack cultural literacy in the medium, exemplified by SBF’s behavior and the disastrous Deshaun Watson trade orchestrated by SBF’s associate.
  • Summary: The host critiques Michael Lewis’s understanding of SBF, using the Cleveland Browns’ trade for serial sexual predator Deshaun Watson (orchestrated by Lewis’s subject Paul Podesta) as an example of how bad actors can manipulate perception.
Gaming as Contested Cultural Ground
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  • Key Takeaway: Gaming is a contested space where marginalized groups find community, which right-wing movements attempt to co-opt or drive out.
  • Summary: Citing Vicki Osterweil, the host discusses how games offer escape and fantasy, but the right-wing gamer identity (fueled by insecurity and grievance) is mobilized to act as ‘scabs and Pinkertons’ against progressive voices in the industry.
Musk’s Path of Exile Stream
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  • Key Takeaway: Musk was immediately exposed as a fraud while attempting to play Path of Exile live.
  • Summary: The speaker describes Musk’s live stream attempting to play Path of Exile, noting how obviously fake his gameplay was, including missing valuable in-game currency.
Backlash from Gaming Community
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  • Key Takeaway: Musk was forced to admit he paid someone to level his account, angering the entire gaming scene, including right-wing allies.
  • Summary: Musk was forced to reveal he paid someone to level his Path of Exile 2 account, leading to widespread negative reactions, even from figures like Asmongold.
Gaming Cachet and Failed Strategy
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  • Key Takeaway: Musk tried to use gaming culture to launder his reputation but failed because gamers are adept at spotting fakes.
  • Summary: The discussion covers Musk signaling to both his fascist base and trying to gain cultural cachet from gaming, a move that backfired due to the prevalence of cheating exposés in gaming media.
GTA V Integrity Anecdote
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  • Key Takeaway: Musk claimed he avoids GTA V because he won’t shoot police officers, signaling to a different part of his base.
  • Summary: The speaker recounts the story of Musk publicly stating he doesn’t play GTA 5 due to its requirement to shoot police officers in the opening scene, finding it amusing.
Carl Jobst’s Strong Condemnation
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  • Key Takeaway: YouTuber Carl Jobst provided a stronger condemnation of Musk’s dishonesty than mainstream press by stating Musk’s lies in gaming invalidate everything else he says.
  • Summary: The speaker discusses Carl Jobst’s video exposing Musk’s Quake pro claims (which were based on better Wi-Fi), emphasizing Jobst’s conclusion that Musk is a serial liar.
Ubisoft Mocks Musk’s Lies
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  • Key Takeaway: Even traditionally non-leftist companies like Ubisoft are now publicly mocking Musk’s gaming deceptions.
  • Summary: The official Assassin’s Creed account replied to Musk’s complaints about a game character by referencing the Path of Exile 2 account scandal, showing a shift in support.
Tearing Away Coalition Support
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  • Key Takeaway: The serious political point is that destroying a fascist coalition requires making enough supporters stay home during confrontation, similar to the Bolshevik Revolution.
  • Summary: The speaker argues that the significance of this backlash is that it fractures Musk’s coalition, making it easier to stop him when a major confrontation occurs.
Current Game Recommendations
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  • Key Takeaway: The hosts briefly discuss and recommend several current video games.
  • Summary: The hosts exchange recommendations, mentioning avoiding Brotato, praising RoboQuest, and discussing Helldivers 2 and Armored Core 6.